Big thanks to everybody for a very productive critique on Wednesday, here is a quick run-down of the conversation… this is copied straight from the chat session – I’m going to meditate on this for the weekend
3:10:05 pm] Satbinder Kooner (skooner): Well having read David’s MPR his idea is very clear to me
[3:10:31 pm] Satbinder Kooner (skooner): and his presentation has some very good images which reflect his idea very well
[3:15:25 pm] Christalla Kyriacou (ckyriacou2): After reading your MPR I have some suggestions, concerns , comments i guess all rolled into one
…My concern on the method of HDR, that often even the ugliest of content looks amazing when HDR is used , so i am only concern if this method will be effective in presenting the truth of climate change and its sustainablitly ,,, on the other hand i think if its great that you are implementing a new technique that u havent used ,,, and the other suggestion or comment is what about showing at times the “ideal” situation
[3:15:29 pm] Jonathan Kearney (jkearney): ok, I will summarise the comments of the face to face students here in the studio, so if you see what I have written, the words are NOT mine they are the words of the students here
[3:17:13 pm] Jonathan Kearney (jkearney): comment from Ethel – maybe you should focus on one area, not just geographical, maybe thematic, otherwise it could feel too disperate
[3:17:23 pm] Maya Chami (mayachami): to start, David’s photos are of superior quality, really good photographer, my comment would be, I wouldn’t use the difficulty to create a single narrative as a reason why you would present the data as a database for the viewer.
[3:18:13 pm] Maya Chami (mayachami): using the inalbility to create a single linear narrative could weaken your solid ground
[3:18:37 pm] Jonathan Kearney (jkearney): Maya, several people here are also asking why the database, they are not clear
[3:19:37 pm] Jonathan Kearney (jkearney): if you use a database does that mean the images need to be as wide as possible, so possible opposite to an earlier comment, about maybe being more specific
[3:20:09 pm] Maya Chami (mayachami): I was wondering whether there will be captions clarifying what type of scenery we are looking at?
[3:20:25 pm] Matthew Richard David Lee (mattlee): I wonder if there is room for metaphor or manipulation? I think that these parameters that David talks about are essential. What are these parameters? And how can this effect the messages/ juxtapositions created (pollution Vs counteractions)? Can this be where your critical voice comes through – in the parameters that you offer?
[3:21:02 pm] Jonathan Kearney (jkearney): the images look very interesting but several people here are wondering what the connection between them is, is there a narrative connection?
[3:21:09 pm] Maya Chami (mayachami): and if David’s using Database, Will he be using keywords like they do in getty images for instance or other photo search engines?
[3:21:24 pm] Christalla Kyriacou (ckyriacou2): maybe final output could take the back burner for a while , maybe it could be focused on at a later date , when all the content of the project are in place
[3:21:39 pm] Maya Chami (mayachami): Will David allow the viewer to download and use the images? Royalty Free or Rights Managed? If it’s for a good cause, campaigning against abuse of planet systems?
[3:22:39 pm] Jonathan Kearney (jkearney): one sugestion here is to take a forensic connection to the images, ie, all the images with blue sky in, using keywords to connect them, so they are categorised in detailed ways, but others here said, would that really show anything about sutainability
[3:23:26 pm] Maya Chami (mayachami): that’s an awesome idea
[3:23:43 pm] Maya Chami (mayachami): maybe this falls under david’s parameters?
[3:24:12 pm] Jonathan Kearney (jkearney): someone mentioned the group dfuse who did some film work on sustainability etc, also the 10×10 film from the 70s
[3:25:05 pm] Jonathan Kearney (jkearney): dfuse alos did a piece from Shanghai using a huge montage of still images that were connected and then moved around in After Effects
[3:25:27 pm] Maya Chami (mayachami): ‘solaris’ by steve soderbergh based Stanislaw Lem’s novel
[3:26:10 pm] Jonathan Kearney (jkearney): Jonathan’s comment, you MUST watch the origianl Solaris – - MUCH MUCH better than soderbergh’s remake
[3:26:28 pm] Andrew Stiff (astiff): maya tut tut solaris by trakovsky please….
[3:26:44 pm] Maya Chami (mayachami): it wasn’t a remake, he just got inspired by the novel, not the original film by tarkovsky!
[3:27:28 pm] Jonathan Kearney (jkearney): Ina, here was talking about ‘poluting the image’. do they then become more about light polution rather then about place, or ‘tourist’ type pics
[3:27:30 pm] Melanie Menard (m_menard): the thing I’m a bit confused about is: David is making a project about a political theme. And most political art I’ve seen, either the artist is very militant (they have a clear thesis) or on the contrary they are deliberately ambiguous/provocative. Or I have the feeling that David’s tone is very, I don’t know the word, maybe diplomatic or conciliatory (towards the audience of his work). I don’t really have a comment about it, but it’s unusual. so is it a unusual tone on purpose, to do something new differetnly, or are you using the project to get a deeper opinion about climate change for yourself as well ?
[3:27:51 pm] Jonathan Kearney (jkearney): (sorry Maya, remake is the wrong word, you are right)
[3:28:43 pm] Jonathan Kearney (jkearney): Chan, who is from Korea is very familar with some fo these images and was wondering what the connection to the place is
[3:31:22 pm] Melanie Menard (m_menard): to clarify: are you building your own opinion as you collect your data, rather than collect specific data to present a thesis you already have to the audience ? I hope this makes sense.
[3:31:31 pm] Jonathan Kearney (jkearney): Chan is also interested in the fact that David you are showing images that he is familar with but he has not seen them before as poluted images, they are so familar to him but you images have opened a different to perspective to him because normally he just lives with it
[3:31:40 pm] Andrew Stiff (astiff): OK times up
[3:31:45 pm] Matthew Richard David Lee (mattlee): I wonder if something like Able Glances Napoleon would be a good source of inspiration for David as well as Vertov’s Man with a movie camera. Can images be superimposed on top of one another? Can there be multiple windows? Maybe Juxtapositions can happen by displaying one image after another/ one (or more) next to another/ or by layering images on top of another. I also feel David should bring his voice/ opinions more into the work.
[3:31:54 pm] Andrew Stiff (astiff): sorry this was a great converstaion
[3:31:55 pm] Maya Chami (mayachami): Melanie: David’s point of view/tone was once discussed in a chat session, he was pro trying to dimish the planetary damage starting from personal initiatives, this is when we discussed that the factories polluting the universe are much more damaging